I am looking for a good basic set-up to get started in softwash, so I can start making some money and then upgarde to AC's system later.
Any tips or suggestions on what to buy would be great!
Thanks,
Sam
AC Lockyer said
Mar 18, 2013
Sam,
Do a search or look in the soft wash equipment fourm. I think there are some napkin designs there.
AC
John Aloisio said
Mar 18, 2013
Sam,
i might have a starter system for sale. Please private message me or call me at 609-705-0093 if interested. I will explain the details to you.
Mark Fermoyle said
Mar 18, 2013
Sam,
I've had great success with the Fat Boy Bandit set-up I purchased from PressureTek. Very affordable, and I think it will pay for itself in short order. Whatever you get, if it's 12V, be sure to educate yourself on the proper way to recharge the deep cycle batteries. I found it was easy to "over-charge" mine by using the inappropriate setting and have not achieved the rated life from it now. Post Facto, now I have learned the correct way with my particular charger. When you get to the point of affordability, follow AC's advice and get the Stealth 1 Charging System - I know I will have that upgrade when I purchase my skid!!
Mark
Vic Irish said
Nov 15, 2013
Sam Newcomb wrote:
Hey Guys,
I am looking for a good basic set-up to get started in softwash, so I can start making some money and then upgarde to AC's system later.
Any tips or suggestions on what to buy would be great!
Thanks,
Sam
Sam,
Thanks for asking this. I am at exactly this stage, myself. Here are a couple outstanding candidates I have found...
1. Costs $1,250 + shipping for "Twin Pump 5gpm for Chemicals with Reel" - no picture - really?
Soft Wash Twin Pump System-Green Cleaning at its Best! No Noise- No Pollution – No Damage
Custom built system boasts an impressive 5.0 gpm, up to 70 psi per pump, dual pump applicator.
Includes a 0 degree nozzle and 300‘ of 1/2" hose you will have the capability to shoot over 50‘, easily reaching 3 story peaks, no more ladders or wobbly extension poles. Used for roof cleaning, house washing and other chemical application.
Deluxe System Includes: • Heavy duty 1/8" aircraft grade aluminum frame (only 15"X18" footprint) • Dual 5.0 gpm 70 psi pump with thermal heat sink, Santropene and Viton seals • Dual 1/2" Inlets with corrosion resistant polypropylene Banjo Cam Lock quick connects • Dual 40 mesh inlet filtration • Dual 1/2" Outlets with corrosion resistant polypropylene Banjo Cam Lock quick connects • Large marine battery box • 300‘ 1/2" Poly-braid reinforced chemical line • Plastic body chemical applicator gun with Viton seals • 4 nozzle holder with #30 and #50 0º, 25º nozzles • Angle nozzle holder with quick connect • 20" stainless steel lance with quick connects • Flojet Accumulator • Titan hose reel with stainless steel plumbing
PUMPS ARE EQUIPPED WITH A THERMAL HEAT SINK AND THE MOTORS COME WITH A 2 YEAR REPLACEMENT WARRANTY AND 2 YEAR WARRANTY ON THE PUMP HEAD FOR MANUFACTURER DEFECTS!!!!
Comes with yellow hose, but has a nice upgrade to skid with 100 gallon tank for a mere <wink> $765 more.
At my rate, I may go to the next 35 Softwashapalooza events @ $200 credit each, so I can just get the big skid free.
By that time, I will have all of this memorized, LOL...
Seriously, I would like to know what everybody thinks of these possibilities.
I do wish that JRC, or AC, would show us a picture of that first system.
Happy shopping, Sam!
Zach Maynard said
Nov 15, 2013
Vic the credit is a lot more than $200, if you go to the event. A lot of people start out with a beginner system and then upgrade later. That is what I did myself.
Vic Irish said
Nov 16, 2013
Good point, Zack! I was trying to be funny, better leave that to Leno and AC...
Where did I come up with $200? My bad, it is more like $2,000 if you pay by the first cut.
I signed up and paid for the LA Softwashapalooza at the event, and he still gave me a $500 credit.
Thanks for catching my error, Zach. I will be more careful in the future.
Eric Owen said
Nov 16, 2013
Sam, Welcome! if you have a CC make the investment and invest in your first system it will pay for it's self weather used or new.
Vic, make the investment new or used if you haven't already. I made a 10k Investment in 09 with out the soft wash info and burned some plants, etc. So don't worry and make the leap!! Having made that investment in 09, I grossed 13-k my first year not having the
benefit of the BB etc.
Hope This Helps Eric.
Jeff Thompson said
Nov 16, 2013
I'm with Eric. Bite the bullet and invest in something that will last and do everything you want. By the time I was done getting set up three years ago I had around $13,000 in a rig and everything else (tips, surface cleaner, ladders, extra tanks Ect). Like Eric, mine paid for itself the first year without the help of this forum.
Now, having said that I wish I would have had the benefit of this forum back then. You have the opportunity to decide what it is you want to with the equipment and choose a setup that works best for you. I bought a Hydrotek skid that is mounted on a trailer that I drag around. At the time that's what I needed and to this day it serves me well. Does everything I want it to do. I added a Fatboy set up from Pressuretek for soft washing...works great as an add on.
But since I made the switch to soft washing last year, the only time I had to use any real pressure was for cleaning and resanding paver patios. Point being, if I was new again I would have seriously looked at investing into AC soft washing cradle....especially now that you can add on a water booster/blaster (that's not what he calls it, but the name escapes me) to make rinsing easier.
One more thing you need to consider as well. If being a "certified soft washing professional" is important to you, one of the criteria is you own a Softwash system. Your in a position to make that decision before buying equipment.
Matt Jennemann said
Nov 16, 2013
I Run the twin pump set-up from powerwasherstore.com and like it a lot. He uses banjo fittings which are very convenient, I get 40-45 feet vertical on a calm day and they're in the 12-1300 dollar range shipped to your house. Get a 65 gallon mix tank and a 50 gallon buffer and your good to go for around $2000 give or take plus the battery if you don't have one yet.
Vic Irish said
Nov 17, 2013
Matt Jennemann wrote:
I Run the twin pump set-up from powerwasherstore.com and like it a lot. He uses banjo fittings which are very convenient, I get 40-45 feet vertical on a calm day and they're in the 12-1300 dollar range shipped to your house. Get a 65 gallon mix tank and a 50 gallon buffer and your good to go for around $2000 give or take plus the battery if you don't have one yet.
Can you be more specific, Matt? What system are you using from that store? I am doing a comparison between the PowerWash Store, J Racenstein (which are the same system made by SWS), and The Fat Boy Bandit. I have to give credit to Pressure Tec for their excellent pictures. I'm afraid J Racenstein's Softwash information is really lagging, but I'm still leaning toward buying from them, as Steve Blyth and Jenny have always been so helpful to me in the past. I am intrigued by this system, and want more information and would really like to see something before I buy it. Am thinking that CH is the way to go if at all possible, but don't want the unused bleach to like, coaglulate between cleanings. This is the URL. If it works with the twin pump, and they all fit on an also unpictured skid with tank I saw at the LA Softwashapalooza, I may very well buy the whole thing, um, eventually ;).
Eric and Jeff, thank you for your replies! I so want to do the right thing. I know that AC says to be deliberate, but I also want to do it right. Winter isn't even here, yet. I have time to be careful...
I have to say this is an extremely helpful forum. I was banned from another forum because I mentioned J Racenstein in some of my posts, and let them come to our Pacific Northwest Window Cleaners get together a couple years ago. At least in here, AC will allow us to offer all information, whether it deals with his *crap* or not! Haha, he uses that word, and I get a kick out of it. I'm sure you all do, to.
I used to have a water wagon. That was a 1990 Chev S10 pickup with a 200 gallon tank in it. I gave the truck to my sister, because my nephew needs to haul all his recycling stuff in, so I only have my window wagon truck now, and it is full of window cleaning stuff. I do have a 2 tire trailer, the 200 gallon tank still, and most importantly an IPC Eagle Hydrocart (RO/DI). Would love to get AC's big skid, but I need another truck, first, and don't want to see myself go out of business before I get my toes out of the water...
Thank you all for you great attitudes and positive thoughts! I'm looking forward to being a knowledgeable businessman.
Rules for success 1. Be deliberate (ok, next year;)
Vic Irish said
Nov 17, 2013
Oops, another mistake (I'm on a roll).
I clicked on that link just now and see that it isn't the PowerWasherStore.com, at all.
The link takes you to Pressure Washers Direct.com.
No wonder they don't have any information at all about softwashing or twin pumps and all that.
Please disregard that part of the last post, Matt.
Jeff Thompson said
Nov 18, 2013
Vic,
I want to clarify something I said in my post about getting certified. I stated you need a softwash systems cradle in order to be certified. That is incorrect, I mis-understood something along the way. AC just told me that was not a requirement for certification, but is a requirement for becoming an authorized softwash systems contractor.
Still something to consider as you decide on what equipment to purchase, I just wanted to correct my mistake before you made that decision.
Tim Teed said
Nov 19, 2013
if you plan on roof cleaning part time the twin pump is fine, but if you plan on roof cleaning every day get AC's rig, it is much quicker. i believe you will have a more professional company with AC's and it helps you get a higher sell price, which will pay-off the higher priced unit
AC Lockyer said
Nov 19, 2013
Tim Teed wrote:
if you plan on roof cleaning part time the twin pump is fine, but if you plan on roof cleaning every day get AC's rig, it is much quicker. i believe you will have a more professional company with AC's and it helps you get a higher sell price, which will pay-off the higher priced unit
Correct, my system isnt better. It is a higher production system. There are MANY GREAT entry and intermediate systems out there that will serve you well your first year in the biz.
AC
Michael Derose said
Nov 19, 2013
Vic, we use an enclosed trailer. We have a fatboy for spraying and a fatboy for transfer. We use the titan 12 inch u channel hose reel with the yellow ag hose from pressure tek. Everything is designed to pull up and start working. We are just as fast as the soft wash skid guys in our area if not faster. As far as tanks go we use a 100 gallon tank for mixing and a 100 gallon tank for straight SH. We do anywhere from 3-4 jobs per day and that's roof and house combos.
Vic, we use an enclosed trailer. We have a fatboy for spraying and a fatboy for transfer. We use the titan 12 inch u channel hose reel with the yellow ag hose from pressure tek. Everything is designed to pull up and start working. We are just as fast as the soft wash skid guys in our area if not faster. As far as tanks go we use a 100 gallon tank for mixing and a 100 gallon tank for straight SH. We do anywhere from 3-4 jobs per day and that's roof and house combos.
Mike,
I want to get an enclosed trailer like that and have been looking at them this year. I like the idea of everything in one place, all the little stuff. I'm forever forgetting "something" because I have to pack before I leave every morning. Everything just doesn't fit on the trailer.
May sound like a weird question, but how do you find backing up with that trailer? That's my biggest obstacle, which I may be over thinking...but often I get myself into a spot where my only choice is to back out, or can't find parking on the street and have to use their driveway (which is always a challenge with cars parked on each side of the street) It's easy to look over your shoulder and back out, but I've never had to use my mirrors and feel that may be a little difficult.
Michael Derose said
Nov 19, 2013
Jeff,
backing up isn't really hard. When you have the ground man get out and back you in it is a piece of cake. Also the longer you do it the easier it gets. I just like having everything in the trailer out of the elements. When its cold we throw a heater in there ( yes we take out the gas when we do this) this way things are ready to go in the morning when the temps are low. Only sometimes is it a pain in the rear when we have the trailer. I am currently building a unit that will allow us to just use the truck for days when there is no concrete and when we have concrete we will use are smaller trailer (enclosed) with the two pressure washers in it.
As far as a professional look. Well we get complimented all the time no matter where we are about how professional our set up is.
Shaun Harton said
Nov 20, 2013
I really like the aspect of everything being out of the elements also Mike, but what do you do when you are out selling and you need to do a demo for a customer?. Do you pull that big trailer everywhere you go. I would really like to know the pros and cons of this setup. Thanks Michael.
Vic Irish said
Nov 20, 2013
Shaun Harton wrote:
"I really like the aspect of everything being out of the elements also Mike, but what do you do when you are out selling and you need to do a demo for a customer?"
Pump up sprayer with premixed Duck Sauce and a long wand? Don't forget the bread! <grin>
vic
Zach Maynard said
Nov 20, 2013
I was just talking about the bread yesterday Vic. Lol
Tim Teed said
Nov 20, 2013
In the cold weather I wish I had a garage. I'm thinking about building a portable cover for my softwash rig. Maybe 1" foil faced rigid insulation and build a breakdown box to enclose everything and put in a halogen lamp. The idea is the same as the oldtimers that build a shed around their well with a lightbulb to keep from freezing. There is no way I would allow my guys to pull a trailer. We do too many hilly long drives, and even pulling in a tight space getting gas. My plan for next year is to put the little twin pump system in a small truck and use that for selling and as a back-up sprayer system. I like at least augmenting with CH and I use that as a selling feature compared to other guys in my market. Its just one of the apples vs pears that I use to differentiate myself from the other guys.
Jeff Thompson said
Nov 20, 2013
Michael Derose wrote:
Jeff, backing up isn't really hard. When you have the ground man get out and back you in it is a piece of cake. Also the longer you do it the easier it gets. I just like having everything in the trailer out of the elements. When its cold we throw a heater in there ( yes we take out the gas when we do this) this way things are ready to go in the morning when the temps are low. Only sometimes is it a pain in the rear when we have the trailer. I am currently building a unit that will allow us to just use the truck for days when there is no concrete and when we have concrete we will use are smaller trailer (enclosed) with the two pressure washers in it.
As far as a professional look. Well we get complimented all the time no matter where we are about how professional our set up is.
Thanks Mike. I'll give this a lot of thought. An enclosed trailer will solve a bunch of problems.
Michael Derose said
Nov 20, 2013
Shaun Harton wrote:
I really like the aspect of everything being out of the elements also Mike, but what do you do when you are out selling and you need to do a demo for a customer?. Do you pull that big trailer everywhere you go. I would really like to know the pros and cons of this setup. Thanks Michael.
Shaun,
the only time i do demos is for commercial clients. I have another small enclosed trailer with a similar set up that i use.
The only con to this set up would be parking in tight spots. We can figure it out 100% of the time.
John Aloisio said
Nov 20, 2013
It is purely personal preference. I have both an open trailer rig and AC skid, and earlier in the year I took apart my trailer unit and built a pallet softwash skid that fits in my second truck. It is just easier for us and more productive. AC rig is built for volume. In the heat of the year we were doing 12-15K per week with that rig. Like I said it is all personal preference an both work great it is just what you want and what your guys are good at. And no matter no good a driver anyone is, it is much easier to maneuver just a pick up truck in a tight driveway than a pickup and a trailer, just common sense. Plus having everything on my trucks makes it easy to keep it all inside a pole barn or garage which save a lot of headaches this time of year with freezing.
once again, just my opinion,
Michael Derose said
Nov 20, 2013
Also my trailer is built for volume cleaning as well. Like john said it all personal preference. That white trailer did 52000 just in the month of may.
Matt Jennemann said
Nov 21, 2013
I think it all boils down to your start up $$$ and your ability to improvise when you have the lack of $$$. If I had the $$$ to start up with AC's rig and training from the get-go I would have but I didn't so I went with the twin pump system and built my rig within my means. Go with what you can and take AC's classes and you'll be golden when this spring roll's around. Have faith in yourself and you'll do great!
Hey Guys,
I am looking for a good basic set-up to get started in softwash, so I can start making some money and then upgarde to AC's system later.
Any tips or suggestions on what to buy would be great!
Thanks,
Sam
Do a search or look in the soft wash equipment fourm. I think there are some napkin designs there.
AC
Sam,
i might have a starter system for sale. Please private message me or call me at 609-705-0093 if interested. I will explain the details to you.
I've had great success with the Fat Boy Bandit set-up I purchased from PressureTek. Very affordable, and I think it will pay for itself in short order. Whatever you get, if it's 12V, be sure to educate yourself on the proper way to recharge the deep cycle batteries. I found it was easy to "over-charge" mine by using the inappropriate setting and have not achieved the rated life from it now. Post Facto, now I have learned the correct way with my particular charger. When you get to the point of affordability, follow AC's advice and get the Stealth 1 Charging System - I know I will have that upgrade when I purchase my skid!!
Mark
Sam,
Thanks for asking this. I am at exactly this stage, myself. Here are a couple outstanding candidates I have found...
1. Costs $1,250 + shipping for "Twin Pump 5gpm for Chemicals with Reel" - no picture - really?
http://www.jracenstein.com/item/150-0801/twin-pump-5gpm-for-chemicals-with-reel/
Soft Wash Twin Pump System-Green Cleaning at its Best! No Noise- No Pollution – No Damage
Custom built system boasts an impressive 5.0 gpm, up to 70 psi per pump, dual pump applicator.
Includes a 0 degree nozzle and 300‘ of 1/2" hose you will have the capability to shoot over 50‘, easily reaching 3 story peaks, no more ladders or wobbly extension poles. Used for roof cleaning, house washing and other chemical application.
Deluxe System Includes:
• Heavy duty 1/8" aircraft grade aluminum frame (only 15"X18" footprint)
• Dual 5.0 gpm 70 psi pump with thermal heat sink, Santropene and Viton seals
• Dual 1/2" Inlets with corrosion resistant polypropylene Banjo Cam Lock quick connects
• Dual 40 mesh inlet filtration
• Dual 1/2" Outlets with corrosion resistant polypropylene Banjo Cam Lock quick connects
• Large marine battery box
• 300‘ 1/2" Poly-braid reinforced chemical line
• Plastic body chemical applicator gun with Viton seals
• 4 nozzle holder with #30 and #50 0º, 25º nozzles
• Angle nozzle holder with quick connect
• 20" stainless steel lance with quick connects
• Flojet Accumulator
• Titan hose reel with stainless steel plumbing
PUMPS ARE EQUIPPED WITH A THERMAL HEAT SINK AND THE MOTORS COME WITH A 2 YEAR REPLACEMENT WARRANTY AND 2 YEAR WARRANTY ON THE PUMP HEAD FOR MANUFACTURER DEFECTS!!!!
2. Costs $1,414 + shipping for der Fat Boy.
http://www.pressuretek.com/fatboybandit.html
Comes with yellow hose, but has a nice upgrade to skid with 100 gallon tank for a mere <wink> $765 more.
At my rate, I may go to the next 35 Softwashapalooza events @ $200 credit each, so I can just get the big skid free.
By that time, I will have all of this memorized, LOL...
Seriously, I would like to know what everybody thinks of these possibilities.
I do wish that JRC, or AC, would show us a picture of that first system.
Happy shopping, Sam!
Good point, Zack! I was trying to be funny, better leave that to Leno and AC...
Where did I come up with $200? My bad, it is more like $2,000 if you pay by the first cut.
I signed up and paid for the LA Softwashapalooza at the event, and he still gave me a $500 credit.
Thanks for catching my error, Zach. I will be more careful in the future.
Vic, make the investment new or used if you haven't already. I made a 10k Investment in 09 with out the soft wash info and burned some plants, etc. So don't worry and make the leap!! Having made that investment in 09, I grossed 13-k my first year not having the
benefit of the BB etc.
Hope This Helps Eric.
Now, having said that I wish I would have had the benefit of this forum back then. You have the opportunity to decide what it is you want to with the equipment and choose a setup that works best for you. I bought a Hydrotek skid that is mounted on a trailer that I drag around. At the time that's what I needed and to this day it serves me well. Does everything I want it to do. I added a Fatboy set up from Pressuretek for soft washing...works great as an add on.
But since I made the switch to soft washing last year, the only time I had to use any real pressure was for cleaning and resanding paver patios. Point being, if I was new again I would have seriously looked at investing into AC soft washing cradle....especially now that you can add on a water booster/blaster (that's not what he calls it, but the name escapes me) to make rinsing easier.
One more thing you need to consider as well. If being a "certified soft washing professional" is important to you, one of the criteria is you own a Softwash system. Your in a position to make that decision before buying equipment.
Can you be more specific, Matt? What system are you using from that store? I am doing a comparison between the PowerWash Store, J Racenstein (which are the same system made by SWS), and The Fat Boy Bandit. I have to give credit to Pressure Tec for their excellent pictures. I'm afraid J Racenstein's Softwash information is really lagging, but I'm still leaning toward buying from them, as Steve Blyth and Jenny have always been so helpful to me in the past. I am intrigued by this system, and want more information and would really like to see something before I buy it. Am thinking that CH is the way to go if at all possible, but don't want the unused bleach to like, coaglulate between cleanings. This is the URL. If it works with the twin pump, and they all fit on an also unpictured skid with tank I saw at the LA Softwashapalooza, I may very well buy the whole thing, um, eventually ;).
http://www.jracenstein.com/item/150-0817/softwash-systems-powdered-bleach-pack/
Eric and Jeff, thank you for your replies! I so want to do the right thing. I know that AC says to be deliberate, but I also want to do it right. Winter isn't even here, yet. I have time to be careful...
I have to say this is an extremely helpful forum. I was banned from another forum because I mentioned J Racenstein in some of my posts, and let them come to our Pacific Northwest Window Cleaners get together a couple years ago. At least in here, AC will allow us to offer all information, whether it deals with his *crap* or not! Haha, he uses that word, and I get a kick out of it. I'm sure you all do, to.
I used to have a water wagon. That was a 1990 Chev S10 pickup with a 200 gallon tank in it. I gave the truck to my sister, because my nephew needs to haul all his recycling stuff in, so I only have my window wagon truck now, and it is full of window cleaning stuff. I do have a 2 tire trailer, the 200 gallon tank still, and most importantly an IPC Eagle Hydrocart (RO/DI). Would love to get AC's big skid, but I need another truck, first, and don't want to see myself go out of business before I get my toes out of the water...
Thank you all for you great attitudes and positive thoughts! I'm looking forward to being a knowledgeable businessman.
Rules for success 1. Be deliberate (ok, next year;)
Oops, another mistake (I'm on a roll).
I clicked on that link just now and see that it isn't the PowerWasherStore.com, at all.
The link takes you to Pressure Washers Direct.com.
No wonder they don't have any information at all about softwashing or twin pumps and all that.
Please disregard that part of the last post, Matt.
I want to clarify something I said in my post about getting certified. I stated you need a softwash systems cradle in order to be certified. That is incorrect, I mis-understood something along the way. AC just told me that was not a requirement for certification, but is a requirement for becoming an authorized softwash systems contractor.
Still something to consider as you decide on what equipment to purchase, I just wanted to correct my mistake before you made that decision.
Correct, my system isnt better. It is a higher production system. There are MANY GREAT entry and intermediate systems out there that will serve you well your first year in the biz.
AC
Vic, we use an enclosed trailer. We have a fatboy for spraying and a fatboy for transfer. We use the titan 12 inch u channel hose reel with the yellow ag hose from pressure tek. Everything is designed to pull up and start working. We are just as fast as the soft wash skid guys in our area if not faster. As far as tanks go we use a 100 gallon tank for mixing and a 100 gallon tank for straight SH. We do anywhere from 3-4 jobs per day and that's roof and house combos.
Mike,
I want to get an enclosed trailer like that and have been looking at them this year. I like the idea of everything in one place, all the little stuff. I'm forever forgetting "something" because I have to pack before I leave every morning. Everything just doesn't fit on the trailer.
May sound like a weird question, but how do you find backing up with that trailer? That's my biggest obstacle, which I may be over thinking...but often I get myself into a spot where my only choice is to back out, or can't find parking on the street and have to use their driveway (which is always a challenge with cars parked on each side of the street) It's easy to look over your shoulder and back out, but I've never had to use my mirrors and feel that may be a little difficult.
backing up isn't really hard. When you have the ground man get out and back you in it is a piece of cake. Also the longer you do it the easier it gets. I just like having everything in the trailer out of the elements. When its cold we throw a heater in there ( yes we take out the gas when we do this) this way things are ready to go in the morning when the temps are low. Only sometimes is it a pain in the rear when we have the trailer. I am currently building a unit that will allow us to just use the truck for days when there is no concrete and when we have concrete we will use are smaller trailer (enclosed) with the two pressure washers in it.
As far as a professional look. Well we get complimented all the time no matter where we are about how professional our set up is.
Pump up sprayer with premixed Duck Sauce and a long wand? Don't forget the bread! <grin>
vic
Thanks Mike. I'll give this a lot of thought. An enclosed trailer will solve a bunch of problems.
Shaun,
the only time i do demos is for commercial clients. I have another small enclosed trailer with a similar set up that i use.
The only con to this set up would be parking in tight spots. We can figure it out 100% of the time.
It is purely personal preference. I have both an open trailer rig and AC skid, and earlier in the year I took apart my trailer unit and built a pallet softwash skid that fits in my second truck. It is just easier for us and more productive. AC rig is built for volume. In the heat of the year we were doing 12-15K per week with that rig. Like I said it is all personal preference an both work great it is just what you want and what your guys are good at. And no matter no good a driver anyone is, it is much easier to maneuver just a pick up truck in a tight driveway than a pickup and a trailer, just common sense. Plus having everything on my trucks makes it easy to keep it all inside a pole barn or garage which save a lot of headaches this time of year with freezing.
once again, just my opinion,